Agnostik'ten notlarim

[gulistan_2]

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Allah razi olsun mouwsavi kardes

[Mousawi]

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amin. devam edeceğim inşallah

[Mufazzal]

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[quote author=gulistan_2 link=topic=22936.msg149859#msg149859 date=1336223518]
Allah razi olsun mouwsavi kardes
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[Mousawi]

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teşekkürler

yaratıcı var dedikleri için universiteden kovulan bilimadamları (amerikada )

Richard Sternberg
Main article: Sternberg peer review controversy
Expelled features excerpts from an interview Stein conducted with Richard Sternberg, described as an evolutionary biologist and a former editor for a scientific journal associated with the Smithsonian Institution. The film says his life was "nearly ruined" after he published an article by intelligent design proponent Stephen C. Meyer in 2004, allegedly causing him to lose his office, to be pressured to resign, and to become the subject of an investigation into his political and religious views. Sternberg defended his decision, stating that Intelligent Design was not the overall subject of the paper (being mentioned only at the end) and that he was attempting merely to present questions ID proponents had raised as a topic for discussion. He presented himself and Meyer as targets of religious and political persecution, claiming the chairman of his department referred to him as an "intellectual terrorist". Stein states that the paper "ignited a firestorm of controversy merely because it suggested intelligent design might be able to explain how life began", and goes beyond the findings of the U.S. Office of Special Counsel to claim that Sternberg was "terrorized".[28] Stein further alleges that Congressman Mark Souder uncovered a campaign by the Smithsonian and the NCSE to destroy Sternberg's credibility, though he does not provide any details.
Sternberg, a staff scientist for the National Center for Biotechnology Information and himself a fellow of the intelligent design advocacy group ISCID, had resigned his position at the journal Proceedings of the Biological Society of Washington six months before publication of the Meyers paper. The Council of the Biological Society of Washington has stated that Sternberg circumvented the journal's standard reviewing process to include the controversial paper. Although in the film Stein says the paper "suggested intelligent design might be able to explain how life began", it discussed the much later development of phyla during the Cambrian explosion and deviated from the journal's topic of systematics to introduce previously discredited claims about bioinformatics. The Society subsequently declared that the paper "does not meet the scientific standards of the Proceedings" and would not have been published had usual editorial practices been followed.[44][45] Sternberg, contrary to the impression given by the film, was not an employee, but an unpaid "Research Associate" at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History, a post which only ran for a limited period. Also contrary to way his career was depicted in the film, Sternberg still retained this position until 2007, when he was given the offer of continuing as a research collaborator.[28][46] He continued to have full access to research facilities at the museum as of April 2008.[47]
[edit]Caroline Crocker
Expelled profiles Dr. Caroline Crocker, a former part-time cell biology lecturer at George Mason University who became the center of controversy over Intelligent Design. In the film Stein states, "After she simply mentioned Intelligent Design in her cell biology class at George Mason University, Caroline Crocker’s sterling academic career came to an abrupt end", and that she was blacklisted. Crocker tells Stein that before the incident she was routinely offered jobs on the spot following an interview, but afterwards she was unable to find a position in academia.
According to the university and the National Center for Science Education, Crocker was not fired; her position was non-tenure track and her employment was on a course-by-course basis. She taught to the end of her contract, which was not renewed. A George Mason University spokesman said this was for reasons unrelated to her views on intelligent design, and that though they wholeheartedly supported academic freedom, "teachers also have a responsibility to stick to subjects they were hired to teach, and intelligent design belonged in a religion class, not biology. Does academic freedom 'literally give you the right to talk about anything, whether it has anything to do with the subject matter or not? The answer is no.'"[48]
The NCSE also stated that she did more than merely mention intelligent design, but in fact posed many refuted creationist arguments.[49] Crocker also did find a position at Northern Virginia Community College, where she was later profiled by the Washington Post. The Post's article stated she claimed "that the scientific establishment was perpetrating fraud, hunting down critics of evolution to ruin them and disguising an atheistic view of life in the garb of science."[48] Her lecture, which she said was the same she taught at George Mason, taught students creationist claims about evolution and promoted intelligent design in a biology class, telling them that Nazi atrocities were based on Darwin's ideas and on science.[48]
Crocker subsequently had a postdoctoral year at the Uniformed Services University, and currently has a full time post as executive director of the Intelligent Design and Evolution Awareness Center which promotes intelligent design clubs at high schools and universities.[49]
[edit]Michael Egnor
Michael Egnor, a neurosurgery professor at SUNY at Stony Brook, is presented in the film as the subject of persecution after writing an essay to high school students asserting that doctors did not need to learn evolution to practice their trade.[50] Egnor, who is a signatory to the Discovery Institute intelligent design campaigns A Scientific Dissent From Darwinism and Physicians and Surgeons who Dissent from Darwinism, presents himself as the victim of online smears and a campaign to get his university to force him into retirement, following his letter. When a citizen's group in Virginia sponsored an essay contest for high school students on the topic "Why I would want my doctor to have studied evolution", Egnor responded by posting an essay on an intelligent design blog claiming that evolution was irrelevant to medicine. His essay was met with considerable criticism by medical professionals, professors and researchers.
In the film, Stein describes this as "Darwinists were quick to try and exterminate this new threat", and Egnor says he was shocked by the "baseness and viciousness" of the critical response he received.[51] As soon as Egnor makes this statement in the film, the camera zooms in on a photo of him that is immediately stamped with "EXPELLED", implying that in the "extermination attempt" Egnor experienced more than common Internet vitriol when he engaged in an online controversy.
[edit]Robert J. Marks II
Robert Marks is a professor at Baylor University who had his research website shut down by the University and was forced to return grant money when it was discovered his work had a link to intelligent design. The film, through footage, compares Marks to the protagonist in the film Planet of the Apes.
The research in question was for the Evolutionary Informatics Lab which Marks formed with Discovery Institute fellow William Dembski,[52][53] and which made use of the University's servers to host the website. The university removed the website after receiving complaints that it appeared to be endorsed by the university. Baylor officials later allowed the website back on their server but required changes be made to the website so that it did not appear to be endorsed by the University.[54] The web site was reestablished independently of Baylor University.
[edit]Guillermo Gonzalez
Guillermo Gonzalez, an astrophysicist who had been an Assistant Professor in the Department of Physics and Astronomy at Iowa State University, is interviewed by Stein, who claims that despite a "stellar" research record that led to the discovery of new planets, Gonzalez was denied tenure because his book The Privileged Planet argued that the universe is intelligently designed. Gonzalez claims that, prior to his tenure review, he was the subject of a campaign on campus to "poison the atmosphere" against him, and that he would almost certainly have been granted tenure had he not been an advocate for intelligent design. The film interviewed a member of the Iowa State University faculty who stated that Gonzalez was denied tenure because the university feared that if they granted Gonzalez tenure the university would become associated with the Intelligent Design movement.
Prior to the film's release Iowa State University addressed the controversy regarding Gonzalez's tenure by saying that after the normal review of his qualifications, such as his record of scientific publications (which had dropped sharply after he joined the faculty),[55][56] he was not granted tenure and promotion on the grounds that he "simply did not show the trajectory of excellence that we expect in a candidate seeking tenure in physics and astronomy." Eli Rosenberg, the chairman of the Astronomy department, also noted that during Gonzalez's time at Iowa State, Gonzalez had failed to secure any form of substantial outside funding.[57] In the previous decade, four of the 12 candidates who came up for review in the department were not granted tenure.[58]
[edit]Opponents of intelligent design
[edit]Michael Shermer
Michael Shermer is an author, science historian, founder of The Skeptics Society, and editor of its magazine Skeptic, which is largely devoted to investigating and debunking pseudoscientific and supernatural claims. He was interviewed for the movie by Stein and assistant producer Mark Mathis to get his take on intelligent design and evolution. Shermer describes intelligent design as "three quarters of the way to nonsense", and voices skepticism at the claims that numerous academics were fired for advocating it.
Shermer, in an online column coinciding with the release of Expelled, described feeling awkward about their motives soon after the interview began.
For my part, the moment I sat down with Stein (with Mathis there) and he asked me that question about firing people for expressing dissenting views a dozen times, I realized that I was being manipulated to give certain answers they were looking for me to give. I asked them both, several times, if they had anything else to ask me about evolutionary theory or Intelligent Design. In frustration I finally said something like "Do you have any other questions to ask me or do you keep asking me this question in hopes that I'll give a different answer?"

After a break and small talk the interview resumed, but the questions continued to follow a similar vein.

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Sayın Mousawi Bilgiler için teşekkür ederiz.

Konu ile ilgili bir kaç link ekleyeyim :

http://www.biyolojidunyasi.org/index...amp;Itemid=129

http://kurandamunafikkarakteri.blogc...sirlar/6816570

http://harunyahya.org/tr/Makaleler/106922/

http://harunyahya.org/tr/Makaleler/2...5%9F%C4%B1rlar

http://derindusun.com/tr/yaratilisi-...veriliyor.html


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[Mousawi]

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ÇOK SAĞOL AŞK KERVANI.

yani yaratıcı var diyen bilimadamları kovuldukları için bilimadamalrının çoğu ateist görünüyor.

ama einstein gibiler bile tanrıyı kabul ediyor.

[Mousawi]

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görüldüğü üzere yaratıcı var diyen bilimadamları önemli araştırmalara katılmış prefösörlerdir. Nasa da önemli görevler almıştır. Gonzales evrenin özel olarak tasarlandığını söylediği için üniversiteden atılmıştır. Bunların arasında nobel ödüllü prefösörlerde vardır. Böyle iken bilimadamlarının çoğu ateisttir demek ne kadar yanlış anlayalım. Zaten böyle bir ortamda yaratıcı var diye düşünenler de sesini kesmiştir.

Allaha inananlar işlerinden olmaktandır. İşlerinden olma pahasına Allahı savunanlara selam olsun diyorum.

[Mehmet UFUKALP]

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[quote author=Mousawi link=topic=22936.msg150029#msg150029 date=1336308434]
görüldüğü üzere yaratıcı var diyen bilimadamları önemli araştırmalara katılmış prefösörlerdir. Nasa da önemli görevler almıştır. Gonzales evrenin özel olarak tasarlandığını söylediği için üniversiteden atılmıştır. Bunların arasında nobel ödüllü prefösörlerde vardır. Böyle iken bilimadamlarının çoğu ateisttir demek ne kadar yanlış anlayalım. Zaten böyle bir ortamda yaratıcı var diye düşünenler de sesini kesmiştir.

Allaha inananlar işlerinden olmaktandır. İşlerinden olma pahasına Allahı savunanlara selam olsun diyorum.
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Böylece anlaşılmış oluyor ki tanrı tanımaz ateizmin merkezi sovyetler değil amerikadır.

[Mousawi]

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[quote author=Mehmet UFUKALP link=topic=22936.msg150049#msg150049 date=1336324579]
Böylece anlaşılmış oluyor ki tanrı tanımaz ateizmin merkezi sovyetler değil amerikadır.
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ama yaratıcının varolduğunu söyleyen bilimadamları da hep amerikadan çıkıyor. ortada bir suru dava sürüyor. yani tam bir soğuk savaş var.

[Mehmet UFUKALP]

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[quote author=Mousawi link=topic=22936.msg150052#msg150052 date=1336325155]

ama yaratıcının varolduğunu söyleyen bilimadamları da hep amerikadan çıkıyor. ortada bir suru dava sürüyor. yani tam bir soğuk savaş var.
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Doğru ama Allaha inanan bilim adamlarının varlığı abd rejiminin marifeti değil, o insanların kendi özgür iradeleridir. Doğrusu bad rejiminin ateistleri bu şekilde koruyacağı hiç aklıma gelmezdi. Çünkü amerika dinden beslenmektedir. Ateizmden çıkarı ne onu anlayabilmiş değilim.

[Mousawi]

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[quote author=Mehmet UFUKALP link=topic=22936.msg150055#msg150055 date=1336325429]
Doğru ama Allaha inanan bilim adamlarının varlığı abd rejiminin marifeti değil, o insanların kendi özgür iradeleridir. Doğrusu bad rejiminin ateistleri bu şekilde koruyacağı hiç aklıma gelmezdi. Çünkü amerika dinden beslenmektedir. Ateizmden çıkarı ne onu anlayabilmiş değilim.
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evrim kapitalist sisteme tam uymaktadır. güçlülerin kazandığı bir savaştır dünya. kapitalizmde aynısıdır.


bu anlayış en çok amerikanın işine gelmektedir.

[Mehmet UFUKALP]

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[quote author=Mousawi link=topic=22936.msg150056#msg150056 date=1336325586]

evrim kapitalist sisteme tam uymaktadır. güçlülerin kazandığı bir savaştır dünya. kapitalizmde aynısıdır.


bu anlayış en çok amerikanın işine gelmektedir.
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Aslında doğru. Ancak amerika bu işi münafıkça yapmaktadır. Dünya kamuoyu böyle bilmemektedir.

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Hitlere görede evrim gerçekti ve beyaz ırk en üstündü. Çünkü en çok beyaz insan ve hatta beyazlarında cermen ırkı, hatta cermenlerinde Alman olanları evrilmişti

[Mehmet UFUKALP]

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[quote author=Tanrı_kulu link=topic=22936.msg152090#msg152090 date=1337345766]
Hitlere görede evrim gerçekti ve beyaz ırk en üstündü. Çünkü en çok beyaz insan ve hatta beyazlarında cermen ırkı, hatta cermenlerinde Alman olanları evrilmişti

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Alman olanların da Avusturyada doğanları, avusturyada doğanlarında Hitler Ailesi olanları, Hitler Ailesi olanlardan da Hitlerin kendisi idi, en mükemmel yaratık.!!!

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[quote author=Mehmet UFUKALP link=topic=22936.msg152091#msg152091 date=1337345894]
Alman olanların da Avusturyada doğanları, avusturyada doğanlarında Hitler Ailesi olanları, Hitler Ailesi olanlardan da Hitlerin kendisi idi, en mükemmel yaratık.!!!
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Tabi çıkarım olarak olay oraya varıyor. Adam hem beyaz, hem Cermen, hem Alman, hemde Avusturya Almanı. Bu kadarı tesadüf değilse en üstün ailenin Hitler ailesi olması mı tesadüf yani?